Is Israel a Sign for the Church

[Verity]

... from scripture.

Amen!


Verity

[anne]

my radiator pump burst last night whilst my newborn grandson of nearly three weeks has been visiting they have now left but ive no water and can't use my coal fire so i'm in a state not enough that I can't write this but enough not to be able to concentrate on a reply to you regarding the promises given to Israel.
As Verity quoted commending your small comment ''taken from scripture'' that is what I intend to do....how else?

[Elizabeth]

Oh, Anne, how uncomfortable for you, to say the least! I am praying you will be able to get a service person there very shortly so that these matters can be repaired/renewed, etc., without costing you a small fortune. My DNA Scottishness was brought to bear here. Naturally, I thought of the cost!

Love and hugs,

E

[anne]

Thanks Elizabeth for your concern, that is so kind of you and if you could keep us in your prayers because it isn't fixed aand we have no hot water now but at least we have heat but it's ongoing and causing us a lot of stress as we cannot find why we have no hot water, but hey these things are sent to try us as they say

IHA I re read your post (taking time ) and saw we agree up until

I think the Christian Zionists play it a bit loose making every Middle East news item some fulfillment of prophecy. To me it really seems like much sensationalized wishful thinking. The Jewish people could be vacated from the land one more time and it would fit Ezekiel's prophecy and still change nothing for the Church. Build not your escatology based on secular Israel, nor even Mr. Scofield's notes, nor even Mr. Darby writings - but from scripture. That is how Mr. Darby would have you do it - he wrote that too.

I don't believe we should be looking to Israel for the next prophetic sign but do believe after the rapture Israel comes into full focus both in the worlds eyes and Gods because has certainly not forgotton this people and His covenants and promises to them were and still are eternal
Firstly they are back in the land for a purpose there back to see the return of their Messiah
Zechariah 12:10
"And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

The regathering of Israel is a prophetic plan that starts to fulfil at the end of
this age and continues in the Messianic age. It has several aspects and the first
are happening now. The present ingathering of Jews is in preparation for their
acceptance of Jesus Christ as LORD—at his return in the latter days. Hosea 3:5,
Afterwards the Israelites shall return and seek the LORD their God,
and David their king.

The present ingathering of Jews to their homeland returns the same situation
that existed nineteen centuries ago, before their capture by Rome into Europe.
The social and spiritual condition of that time has reappeared in modern Israel;
this first part of God’s plan will not go further—until the sin of Matthew 27:25-26
is repented of. But when the Israelis enter into national repentance, restoration
will continue to fulfilment. Rom. 11:26-27, And so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,
‘Out of Zion will come the Deliverer;he will banish ungodliness from Jacob.’
And this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins.’


The Jewish hope was always for earth and the Law covenant is only about earth.
That is the reason Moses’ Writings differ from New Testament Writings
The New Testament focuses on heaven as the priority call until Jesus returns, but the
Old Testament focuses mainly on earthly life and the hope for a renewed earth.
For believers in the heavenly Church call, earthly hope has been ‘replaced’
by heavenly hope.
I also believe that David will sit again on the throne

Ezekiel’s vision shows resurrection. David’s return is as Israel’s king, and as
a man in the flesh after thirty centuries in the grave. Eze. 37:24-25,
My servant David shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. They shall
follow my ordinances and be careful to observe my statutes.
They shall live in the land that I gave to my servant Jacob, in which your ancestors lived;
and they shall dwell therein they and their children and their children’s children for ever;
and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

King David will rise in the resurrection of the righteous, when Christ returns;
(John 5:28-29). The prophecy of King David’s return will fulfil literally; Jer. 30:9,
But they shall serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.
The earthly resurrection returns people to their human flesh nature for David
will be fathering children to successive generations forever. Jer. 33:17,22,
For thus says the LORD: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel
Just as the host of heaven cannot be numbered and the sands of the sea cannot be measured, so I will increase
the offspring of my servant David, and the Levites who minister to me.
In these Davidic texts we have proof that earthly resurrection is a central part
of God’s kingdom. The kingdom of David is an earthly inheritance. This is true
of the Law covenant generally. Peter said that David is not in heaven; Acts 2:34,
34For David did not ascend to heaven.

Human nature should not be mixed with spirit nature, or material things with
spiritual things, or earthly values with heavenly values. They are not the same.
There is a need for separate distinctions to help understand heaven and earth.
God’s mind is found in both Old and New Testaments but each has a different
characteristic. The Old Testament reveals God’s mind for the earth-bound Jew,
but the New Testament reveals his mind for heaven-bound people, the Church.
The highest priority in the New Testament is the call to heaven, but that will end.
The New Testament also contains much information pertaining to earth because
Jesus is Lord of both heaven and earth.

It’s interesting that the people of God’s kingdom, of heaven and earth, are all
originally from earth. Saints in the heavenly city go through a change of nature
and are no longer earthy because they get a new body in the likeness of Christ,
made for heaven. But people of the New Earth keep their earth nature because
they are called to live on earth. This was the Jewish peoples promise from God and He will keep it.
I don't know if you believe as I do but my father spoke to me of this when i asked
concerning the old promises given to Irael and what happened to people outside of
''Gods day of Grace'' otherwise known as the church age.

[M.C.Nige]

I don't find anywhere in scripture where the Church is told to look to Israel for a sign, but rather for our Lord from Heaven.

I agree with you that we are to look for the coming of our Lord. That said, I believe that there are things that might cause us to look up in anticipation of His coming.

For example: I believe that the antichrist confirming a covenant will be the start of the 70th week in Daniel 9. As he will put an end to sacrifice and offering after three and a half years, I suspect that the temple has to be rebuilt. I'm keeping an eye on that one!

[M.C.Nige]

and if you could keep us in your prayers because it isn't fixed and we have no hot water now but at least we have heat but it's ongoing and causing us a lot of stress as we cannot find why we have no hot water

Sorry to hear about this Anne. Will pray...

[RAP]

The Jews require a sign
The Greeks seek after wisdom
The just shall live by faith
Also we: “...having denied impiety and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, and justly, and piously in the present course of things, awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;” (Tit 2:12,13 Darby)

Maranatha!

[anne]

The Jews require a sign
The Greeks seek after wisdom
The just shall live by faith
Also we: “...having denied impiety and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, and justly, and piously in the present course of things, awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;” (Tit 2:12,13 Darby)

Maranatha!

And I am waiting...daily